Probably Getting an iPhone..eventually

[BKFraiders7]

Mom informed me we would be looking to switch from Verizon next year (lol..yea I know a while from now)

So going to iPhone from Android..will be an experience. Theres some things I love about the iPhone that Im very excited about such as

- A lot more quality apps. Thatl be fun
- Media player. Yea..I still carry around my iPod touch even though I have a droid.

But theres also some things il GREATLY miss

-Customization.. yea I went there. Cant overclock my iPhone smoothly, have widgets, ect.
- Open Ecosystem- sucks.

But I guess I can have the best of both worlds cause it seems like FROYO (Android 2.2) is coming along nicely for iPhone

[brentbizzle]

In general, the iPhone is as good as it gets when it comes to a mobile phone. No, it doesn't have the greatest hardware out there, but when you take into account hardware, OS, and just the general user experience, it doesn't get much better. That's why Apple has been able to succeed so much with it.

As far as overclocking, it just isn't necessary on the iphone. It really isn't necessary on any mobile device because it just effects battery life. Mobile components are designed to be scaled back. And the closed walls of the app store. It's an effin phone... go back a few years before the iPhone and look at the app market on phones. On the few phones that did have downloadable applications, it was much more constrictive! Hell, all the companies running android on their phones can't even leave the OS alone! They keep customizing and tweaking it to the point that it almost ruins the phone.

[BKFraiders7]

@ Brent I have to disagree on a few points.

"The iPhone is as good as it gets"- Hardware and OS are its downfalls. Hardware, as you stated, lags behind the (Android) competition. OS is getting better, but the idea of a list of icons as a homepage is disappointing. I will miss my widgets. SBsettings and other jailbreaking apps will help this tho. User Experience is what gets a ++ tho.

Overclocking- My droid is overclocked with a LOWER voltage than stock. My battery life has actually increased since overclocking. Its amazing. If my processor is designed for 1.3Ghz and I can get it stable and safe at 1.1 Ghz I will do it. Its a Phone..something I plan to upgrade from in 2 years (even before the time the processor finally frys)

Of all people I expected you to be for the open-ecosystem set up. I dont like apple telling me what I can and cant have on MY phone. Sideloading apps on my Droid without even dealing with the Market is great. Also, rooted (jailbroken per se) apps are even in the market.

I agree that companies customizing the phone ruins the experience. Lucky for me I had one of the last "vanilla" phones. Google has addressed this problem and in Android 3.0 wont need the extra layer over the OS.

In no way am I bashing the iPhone in those comments. I mean heck it obviously works- look at the sales records it has broken. I believe both android and iPhone has its pluses and minuses. Competition is a beautiful thing.

[crait]

There are simply a million things that the iPhone does that Androids can't do. Not because they aren't capable, but because the lack of support. If companies have to choose which touch phone to make a program for, they will choose the iPhone out of any of them, not just Android. There is more people for the companies to go after, so more games and more apps are going to be made for it. The more people working on apps for the iPhone, the better and more diverse the ideas will be.

[brentbizzle]

BK...

Hardware and OS are certainly NOT the iPhone's downfall. While the iPhone doesn't lead the pack in hardware, it is still decent and usually of fairly decent quality. I think you'll find many pictures taken by the iPhone that just simply look better than some phones with a higher resolution. And no company supports its OS like the iPhone. The control they have over their devices ensures that all of their hardware gets the updates they need. Yes, Apple is slow to implement features many want, but you also have to look at it from the perspective of the average consumer. The average iPhone user isn't going to be overclocking this and tweaking that. They just want their phone to work and work smoothly. They've created a VERY easy to use interface and easily manageable interface. That's why the iPad has taken off the way it has. Instead of shoving a full computer OS on it, they gave it the simple, clean, and easy to use iOS. Keep in mind I HATE the iPad.

Read any review of any other smartphone. They all have their faults, and more often than not the problem is in the OS/user interface. They shove awesome hardware specs in a phone wrapped around terrible software. And updates are far and few between... IF they come. Yes, you can root and blah blah, but again I'm addressing the average consumer.

Going back to the closed eco-system. It's a phone! You don't need an open system! The iPad is another story and is setting a dangerous precedent for regular computers. But Apple's management of the apps is helpful in ensuring quality applications and prevent the market from being flooded with just craptastic apps. There are too many developers and companies jumping on the iOS bandwagon, and with it's popularity there'd be too many crappy apps. Even though Apple is managing it there's still tons of crappy apps.

No other phone in existence has the support the iPhone has. Nothing. No phone, no company. And this is why besides my hatred of Apple, I go iPhone.

[crait]

I think it needs to be an opened system.

[brentbizzle]

I think it needs to be an opened system.

Well everything SHOULD be open, but if we have to sacrifice, cell phones are fine. Like I said, look at cell phones before the iPhone. IF the phone even supported downloadable apps, there was only like 5 provided by the carriers that were never updated.

[crait]

Well, when you say to look at phones before the iPhone, I look at PPC's and Palm Pilots like the Trio. Both OS's were open and they prospered because of it.
I agree that if we had to choose, phones wouldn't really be something I would be worried about, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be bothered by it. I could use your same logic to say that if we were forced to cut off a body part, I would rather cut off a finger than cut off a leg- But that doesn't make me want to cut off my finger if I don't have to, even despite it being better than cutting off a leg.
Reminds me of how people wanted HD-DVD's to win over Blu-Ray even though they had worse specs in every category just so they could make the PS3 look bad.

[BKFraiders7]

Brent, your statement about "their just phones" is dangerously obsolete. My Droid (and honestly PHONES coming out THIS YEAR) will have faster processors, more memory (HDD) and more RAM memory then Laptops in even recent memory. Like it or not, phones are becoming mini computers to the point that tablets and even laptops are using the same open source OS thats on phones. Its hard to believe a closed eco-system app system on a laptop.

Your point about quality apps is mostly true..they look awesome the most of them. But theres a bunch of junk in there too. :/

Also about the OS- It is very simple. Something good. But the list of icons on a screen is hindering the capabilities of the OS. Is old

There are simply a million things that the iPhone does that Androids can't do. Not because they aren't capable, but because the lack of support. If companies have to choose which touch phone to make a program for, they will choose the iPhone out of any of them, not just Android. There is more people for the companies to go after, so more games and more apps are going to be made for it. The more people working on apps for the iPhone, the better and more diverse the ideas will be.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/08/02/ ... ne-market/

This is only in the US..but its happening..fast. But your logic here fails because iPhone isnt the dominating marketshare/most popular phone in the world but DOES get the most apps.


But the iPhone has very good saleing points (that Brent touched on)- Updates. And one company they go through. I HATE the way Android does updates..but more importantly i hate that they go though my carrier that adds bloatware. Apple- Thumbs up. And knowing Im supported (somewhat) for the good part of at least 3 years (by then Il move to the next release) is an amazing thought

iPhone has its pluses..but it definitely isnt the "jesus phone" or holy grail people make it out to be. Sorry.

[brentbizzle]

My statement about them being just phones isn't an obsolete stance. When you get down to it, they are still phones. The main reason you buy them are for the mobile capabilities. The extras may help you decide on which model to get opposed to another one, but you aren't walking down to the store to buy a mobile gaming device or personal organizer. You're buying a phone. And if none of these things were phones you wouldn't be buying it.

The thing is, a free market is a free market. Companies will do what they will and it's up to the consumer to decide. Buy into Apple's closed market or don't. But obviously the closed market isn't THAT much of an issue if you yourself wants to buy into it...

Yes, not all the apps in the store are gold, but that's what happens in a popular marketplace. Not every item in every store is a knockout product. I'm sure Apple's app store and the android market both have similar sh*t to gold ratios and the app store has a much, MUCH larger number of apps.

Your comment about the OS... personal preference. Again, see free market.

Yes, android is on the rise, but look at how many companies are putting it on phones. Look at how many different phones run it. I just did a rough count of 61 phone models running it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_An ... martphones). Of course the market share will increase if you throw it on every phone you can. How many iPhone devices? 4. That means, according to your link, 27% of all smartphone users in America are using 1 of only 4 devices from only 1 manufacturer. Don't know how many of those 61 models I counted were release in the US, but I think 15-20 is a safe guess. Instead of looking at OS market share, MODEL market share is the number that needs to be looked at because that will tell you whether a company is putting out a decent phone.

And again, I hate Apple, but the iPhone was the Jesus-phone in that it saved us from sh*t phones. I've been using Japanese phones on and off since 2005 and have known what it was like using actually useful phones. There was no reason for phones here to suck as much as they did, but we finally had a technological revolution that has finally led us to expect more.

[BKFraiders7]

My statement about them being just phones isn't an obsolete stance. When you get down to it, they are still phones. The main reason you buy them are for the mobile capabilities. The extras may help you decide on which model to get opposed to another one, but you aren't walking down to the store to buy a mobile gaming device or personal organizer. You're buying a phone. And if none of these things were phones you wouldn't be buying it.

The thing is, a free market is a free market. Companies will do what they will and it's up to the consumer to decide. Buy into Apple's closed market or don't. But obviously the closed market isn't THAT much of an issue if you yourself wants to buy into it...

Yes, not all the apps in the store are gold, but that's what happens in a popular marketplace. Not every item in every store is a knockout product. I'm sure Apple's app store and the android market both have similar sh*t to gold ratios and the app store has a much, MUCH larger number of apps.

Your comment about the OS... personal preference. Again, see free market.

Yes, android is on the rise, but look at how many companies are putting it on phones. Look at how many different phones run it. I just did a rough count of 61 phone models running it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_An ... martphones). Of course the market share will increase if you throw it on every phone you can. How many iPhone devices? 4. That means, according to your link, 27% of all smartphone users in America are using 1 of only 4 devices from only 1 manufacturer. Don't know how many of those 61 models I counted were release in the US, but I think 15-20 is a safe guess. Instead of looking at OS market share, MODEL market share is the number that needs to be looked at because that will tell you whether a company is putting out a decent phone.

And again, I hate Apple, but the iPhone was the Jesus-phone in that it saved us from sh*t phones. I've been using Japanese phones on and off since 2005 and have known what it was like using actually useful phones. There was no reason for phones here to suck as much as they did, but we finally had a technological revolution that has finally led us to expect more.

First section- If they arent mobile gaming devices, then why the heck is apple selling them as such? Hmm, maybe its a personal thing that you just dont use it as such.

I didnt say I WANTED to go to ATT and buy into the iPhone. My mom (remember my age) wants to go to AT&T and truth be known there arent any good ATT Android Phones. If there was some amazing Android phone to switch to I probably would.

Just because something sells a ton doesnt mean its the king of kings in that department.

Anyway, the iPhone 4 is elegant hardware used in fashion. Fine with me. Its lacking in hardware horspower but it will get me where I wanna go so to speak. Besides, like I said, Il have the best of both worlds with Android 2.2 on my iPhone.

[crait]

Whoa, that is a very, very recent turn of market share.
Thanks for the link. It seems merely a few months ago, iOS is no longer the leading touch-screen operating system.

[BKFraiders7]

Whoa, that is a very, very recent turn of market share.
Thanks for the link. It seems merely a few months ago, iOS is no longer the leading touch-screen operating system.

Like Brent said the iPhone as a single handset is by far reaching and exceeding expectations. But were talking OS here